Flight training at No Limits Aviation

Aircraft: $115/hr (dry)

Dry, and sold only in blocks: $115/hr for 25 hours solo, $105/hr for 50 and $90/hr for 100. Sharing the aeroplane with another pilot halves it again, to $57.50/hr over 25 hours. There is no walk-up hourly rate.

1. 1

   What do you charge per hour for flight instruction, and is ground instruction billed at the same rate?Missing from their site

   This is the number that is missing from the site. Ground is often billed separately and at a different rate.

2. 2

   Does the instructor rate change for the Instrument, Commercial, or CFI, or is it flat across everything?Missing from their site

   Plenty of schools charge more for advanced instruction. A flat rate quoted for the Private can climb later.

3. 3

   Your published rates are dry. Roughly what does fuel add per hour on the trainer?

   The published figures leave fuel out, so they understate the real hourly cost until you add it.

4. 4

   What does an hour of dual cost, in the aeroplane and on the ground?Missing from their site

   Every published figure is a solo time-building block. Nothing on the site prices instruction.

5. 5

   What does the Cessna 172P or the Cherokee 180 rent for by the hour without buying a block?

   The aircraft page describes both aeroplanes and prices neither; the only rates are 25, 50 and 100-hour commitments.

6. 6

   Do you offer block rates or prepay discounts, and what is the refund policy if I stop partway?

   Block discounts are common and rarely published. The refund terms matter more than the discount.

7. 7

   What do you charge for the written test, the checkride, and the examiner's fee?

   The DPE fee alone runs $800 to $1,200 in most of the country and is almost never in a quoted hourly rate.

8. 8

   How many trainers and how many full-time instructors do you have right now?

   Availability decides your pace, and pace decides your total more than the hourly rate does.

What to compare their answer against

Not No Limits's rates. The middle of what 19 Washington schools charge, to hold your phone quote against.

From the schools here that publish full rate cards, the same sample behind the Flight Training Cost Report. No Limits is not in it.

What we checked

The only rates No Limits publishes are TIME-BUILDING blocks, which is a price to a pilot who already has a certificate rather than to a student. They are also dry and require committing to 25 hours at minimum, so they are not the hourly rate a student would pay. The aircraft page describes a 1986 Cessna 172P with dual G5s and a 1962 Cherokee 180 and puts no figure on either. Also offers seaplane training.